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Thursday 10 January 2013

Polish immigrants leaving Britain: What the Poles did for us

Britain's Polish workers are heading home in search of a better life – and it's our loss, says Harry de Quetteville.

Polish manual workers wait on a street corner for casual employment in west London: Up to a million immigrant workers will abandon Britain as the economy slows and jobs become scarce, the Government's equalities watchdog predicted.
Polish workers wait on a street corner for casual employment in west London Photo: AP

It's early afternoon at Victoria Coach Station, and crowds stare intently at screens listing departure times to domestic destinations near and far, discussing what flavour snacks might best pass the time on a trip to Gloucester.

But at the station's furthest extreme, Gate 20, the conversations run along different lines. The language of choice, with its crumpled mass of consonants, is Polish, and the final stop is not Walsall but Warsaw.

The 1.30pm bus to Poland takes more than 26 hours to reach its destination – an agonising marathon of motorways and confined, marauding children. But those queuing in the grim waiting room don't mind. They are heading home, back to the land they left years ago to make their fortunes in the brave new world of a border-free EU.

Some are off on short breaks and holidays, or to hand over in person the fruits of their labours in Britain – rolls of £20 notes stuffed deep into trouser pockets or hidden away in giant suitcases pushed far into the coach's undercarriage. These will come back.

But then there are people such as 21-year-old Krzysztof Doszko. He, too, came to make his fortune in Britain earlier this year, following in the footsteps of millions of other Poles who have come since their country joined the EU in 2004. He, too, wanted to exchange the frustrations and poor job prospects of his rural community near the eastern Polish city of Lublin for comparatively high-earning employment here.

"But," he confides, perched upon his suitcase as he waits for what will be his last bus back to Poland, "it didn't work out like that. I wanted to stay longer. But I am going home."

He is not alone. The Polish government is being warned by its economic advisers that up to a third – 400,000 – of Britain's Polish population could follow Krzysztof in the next 12 months.

Increased prosperity in Poland and the prospect of a severe recession in Britain mean that the economic gap between the two countries is closing fast. The dream of fast cars, fast living and fast fortunes is as attractive as ever but, for many Poles, the odds of achieving it here are lengthening fast.

For Krzysztof, there was little glamour at the potato farm in Cambridgeshire where he ended up, working back-breaking, 12-hour days for the minimum wage. "I worked a very hard job," he says.

Once, even such a low hourly rate translated to a substantial sum when saved and sent back home to Poland. No longer. The pound has slumped against the Polish zloty. Where Polish labourers working here could once depend on an exchange rate of seven zlotys to the pound, they now get about 4.7. Earlier this year, it hovered around just four. Coupled with average wages nearly doubling back in Poland, the incentive to remain has disappeared.

"Life is better in Poland now," says 32-year-old Dani Gryniewicz, who worked with Krzysztof on the potato farm and is also heading home. "I wanted to find a good job for my family, back in Poland, where I left my two children. But now, my husband in Poland has a better job and earns almost the same as I do here. So why stay?"

Many aren't. Because of the EU's open borders, we don't have the figures to prove that an exodus is under way. But the statistics that do exist show a huge downward trend in the numbers of new Polish immigrants to these shores. In the second quarter of the year, 32,000 new workers from Poland signed up to the Home Office's registration scheme. Over the past three months, the total decreased to 25,000.

"In 2007, the number of Poles coming over was more than 150,000," says Robert Szaniawski, from the Polish embassy in London. "In 2008, we estimate fewer than 100,000." He believes "a much higher number" are going back: "If there is a chance to find a good job back home, they will, since our economy is growing and unemployment is rising here. Back in Poland, the banks are not in crisis. People are buying new homes, they need plumbers there."

This dramatic reversal of fortune has not come about solely because of the recent cataclysm in the financial sector, and its knock-on effects on the rest of the economy. According to Chris Watts, a Briton who has lived in Poland since 1993, the "tipping point" came earlier this year. He has spent the past three years exporting Polish bus drivers to local authorities from Devon to Scotland, all desperately short of staff on their transport networks. In that time, 400 drivers and 20 mechanics have come over.

"At the beginning there were so many applications that we were swamped," he says. "And that was just recruiting in two small regions of Poland. We had 100 applications for every 20 jobs.

"Until autumn 2007, the number of applicants was still high. Then the exchange rate went beneath five zlotys to the pound and applications dropped off. Some successful applicants even resigned.

"This March, for the first time, we reached the tipping point, with more vacancies than applications. Since then, we have had another change. Because of the economic crisis in the UK, the vacancies have dried up, too, so the whole business has come to an end. We have simply stopped the process."

Poles are not coming any more. The era of cheap credit is over, and cheap bathroom and kitchen installations have had their day. Like those transport authorities who came to rely on Polish drivers, we must all now learn to do without the vast numbers of immigrants whose arrival we so feared when the Eastern European bloc joined in 2004.

It will be quite a learning curve. For what, as the Monty Python team might have once said, have the Poles done for us? Apart from providing workers for the construction boom that fuelled our economy for the past few years, of course. And sending over qualified doctors and nurses for the NHS. And coming to the rescue of our agriculture, with cheap labourers such as Krzysztof picking and packing.

But apart from the economy and the NHS and the farms, what have the Poles done for us? We may find out, as we try to build Olympic venues without them (they could well be back home building football stadia for the 2012 European championships instead). For my suspicion is that if Seb Coe and his merry men have to go back to local efforts, all might not be well: "Olympic Stadium, guv? Yeah, we can do that for you. No problem. When d'you wan' it for? 2012? Ooh, guv. Not sure about that." [Sound of sucking teeth] "I could probably get it done by 2035."

Then again, perhaps not. For while there can be no doubt that many Poles are going, they are not taking everything with them. A little Polish attitude, for one thing, will endure.

"Culture is a thing that always stays behind," says Joerg Tittel from the Polish Cultural Institute. "Polish culture means hard work. Also, family and personal relationships are very important. It's a far less cynical society than here. We [Poles] are importing old-school notions that history has proven work rather well."

Indeed, one can argue that Poles have brought with them something far more important than just a way with the towel-rail: a no-nonsense ethic that mines a deep nostalgia in Britain for an age of hard-working, Hovis-delivering simplicity. In an age of financial products so complex that even the bankers don't understand them, that outlook is sure to grow more popular still.

"The Polish influx was like importing our parents' generation into today's UK," says Paul Statham, professor of sociology at Bristol University. "It has been about values – a mass arrival of people with traditional values that have been eroded here."

Allied with "a Catholic way of viewing the world, with family and community values at its centre", Prof Statham argues that Poles have effected a "basic cultural trend".

"Simple things like being treated politely in bars and restaurants had all but disappeared before Poles arrived in large numbers to work here. Now that has changed and will remain changed. Britain is changing itself."

So farewell, fair Poles. Thank you for the economy (while we still had one) and the healthcare, and the farmwork. But most of all, thank you for a reminder of the good old days. As the recession bites, they will look better and better.

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  • Dear Brits,



    You may think whatever you want about Poland or its people. Just be careful how you treat others because there may come a day when English doctors will be cleaning streets of Poland.



    Poland remembers hardships of the communism, the hardship of the post 89 transformation, the 25% unemployment rates, the fall of the domestic industries. Now all of that is behind and the people have learned very valuable lessons: on how deal with a hardship, how to be innovative, how to compete, and to what is necessary to survive . The education is highly valued with emphases on analytical sciences. The very young population and demonstration on how dynamic they can be. The economy build on tangible assets and the fact that government has a lot more of red tape that can be cut to make the country even more competitive. These are just some of the assets that can help Poland do very well in the upcoming global depression.



    The dark clouds of the economic uncertainty are scarring Old Europe used to the privileged well to do life, Poles went though the hell of a change in the last 20 years. Poles will thrive will you ?

  • Jonney B Good

    10/27/2008 07:31 PM

    Labour has destroyed this country

    The British Government, can magic money for a war or to bail the banks out of economic problems because the heads of the banks have taken large bonuses and messed up the economy, but the labour government is happy to see are British people living on the streets homeless, not providing enough benefits for British people and always saying they have no more money for public services or health care, Funny that since they have just given the banks 500 billion.

    So thank you MR Blair & MR Brown for destroying our country, A Job well done

  • At last!! How many years had to pass to hear some good words about Polish people.

    All you can read in newspapers, how bad we are.

    I would like to thank all of you who left all this nice words. It doesn�t happen often.

    I know we are not the best, but all papers are writing only bad thing about us and most of us came here to live normally.

    It is not perfect, because we are still discriminated, but well what we can do it is nor our country.

    I know that there will be always complains that we are taking job, but sorry I have worked in few places where employer didn�t have choice, because English person didn�t want to work.

    Thanks everyone again, I like this country, although the weather could be better  and I am planning to stay here a bit longer no matter crisis crunch.



    p.s. to Mark (half polish, half english) Have you ever been in Poland? Alcoholism � I have never seen so many drunk people on Thursdays and Fridays night, especial girls, who can�t walk by them selves. Abortion � we are catholic country and this is forbidden in Poland (officially) that�s why a number in here is larger, and sorry if you can do it in 12 week, that�s something wrong.

  • At last!! How many years had to pass to hear some good words about Polish people.

    All you can read in newspapers, how bad we are.

    I would like to thank all of you who left all this nice words. It doesn�t happen often.

    I know we are not the best, but all papers are writing only bad thing about us and most of us came here to live normally.

    It is not perfect, because we are still discriminated, but well what we can do it is nor our country.

    I know that there will be always complains that we are taking job, but sorry I have worked in few places where employer didn�t have choice, because English person didn�t want to work.

    Thanks everyone again, I like this country, although the weather could be better  and I am planning to stay here a bit longer no matter crisis crunch.



    p.s. to Mark (half polish, half english) Have you ever been in Poland? Alcoholism � I have never seen so many drunk people on Thursdays and Fridays night, especial girls, who can�t walk by them selves. Abortion � we are catholic country and this is forbidden in Poland (officially) that�s why a number in here is larger, and sorry if you can do it in 12 week, that�s something wrong.

  • At last!! How many years had to pass to hear some good words about Polish people.

    All you can read in newspapers, how bad we are.

    I would like to thank all of you who left all this nice words. It doesn�t happen often.

    I know we are not the best, but all papers are writing only bad thing about us and most of us came here to live normally.

    It is not perfect, because we are still discriminated, but well what we can do it is nor our country.

    I know that there will be always complains that we are taking job, but sorry I have worked in few places where employer didn�t have choice, because English person didn�t want to work.

    Thanks everyone again, I like this country, although the weather could be better  and I am planning to stay here a bit longer no matter crisis crunch.



    p.s. to Mark (half polish, half english) Have you ever been in Poland? Alcoholism � I have never seen so many drunk people on Thursdays and Fridays night, especial girls, who can�t walk by them selves. Abortion � we are catholic country and this is forbidden in Poland (officially) that�s why a number in here is larger, and sorry if you can do it in 12 week, that�s something wrong.

  • Nick Jones

    10/27/2008 01:27 PM

    I'm sad to see some of the comments my fellow countrymen have made here about the Polish people. Of the Polish people I've met here and in Poland they have all been honest, hard working and reliable. Qualities that have seemed to have faded from many aspects of life in modern Britain. In fact I so enjoyed my one short stay in Poland that I can't wait to go back early next year and meet up with the people I met there last time and experience again the old fashioned values which seem hard to find here today. Suspicion is rife and politeness seems to have lost it's way here today. I hope the Polish people who read these posts will find some comfort in the fact that there are a lot of British people who hold the Polish people in high regard for the camaraderie and sacrifices of the past and the sound values they still hold today. Dziękuję bardzo.

  • Simon, Polish

    10/26/2008 09:08 AM

    Hiy another Polish here, I'm really happy I'm going home, have had enough of those lovely comments made by English, have had enough of english who have problems with my nationality and I must admit I will give English exactly the same welcoming greeting in Poland. Looking forward to going home, at last, thank Godness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Whatever the advantages, or otherwise, of Polish immigrants most I have met have come here to work, not to draw benefits. They are mostly Christians, and none of them appear to be plotting to bomb us into extinction, or to turn us into Catholic society. Could we not devise some incentive to make them stay, and instesd get rid of those that have no intention of integrating.

  • "I am not a confident person and sometimes I do not want to admit that I am Polish as I am afraid that people will treat me different."



    I agree with the law student. I am Polish and I hate when I am asked about my nationality. I one heard "oh, another one!". This is quite sad and makes me want to go home. I do not like the way people look at me at work (i.e. with suspicion) just because I am Polish and sometimes do not understand their accent.



    I am looking forward to going home.

  • Verbena writes: "The Polish pilots were more of a liability than anything else in World War II... ...not actually all that keen on what happened to the UK or the rest of Europe; just Poland."



    Considering how the USA and UK sold Poland out to the Soviets at Yalta, how can you blame them for being most concerned for themselves?

  • Harry,

    I found your paper surprisingly flattering for us, the Poles. We probably don't deserve it in the present dire situation, but surely we grasped the opportunity to be paid in return for our grandfathers' deaths in the II WW. For yours and ours freedom - that's not the bullshit, whatever may think certain of the respondants, the Polish pilots fought not only for Poland. If it were not Britain, they'd escape to, say Mexico, and continue the fight. That's in our tradition that you seemingly have caught quite well.

    At any rate, assuming there was no economic benefit from all these Polish plumbers, however they worked there, paid their taxes, including VAT for whisky, ate British food (you cannot bring in as much Polish sausage to feed upon during your stay) and paid the rent to the British homeowners. At least, there's one person certainly happy. It's John Cleese, Monty Python, who shot not less than two ads for the Polish banks since last year.

    We're on a par, aren't we, Brits?

    All the best to you.

  • "What an ungrateful hypocrite. Last time I was in the UK, even the customer relations manager in a bank was a Pole whose English wasn't very good. Meanwhile back in Poland discrimination against foreign workers is such a 100% rule that it's not even talked about. "



    well you sound like you don't live in UK, do you? Probably opposite to you I know more Poles then you do as well. Trust me, if we are talking about 40k+ jobs it is extremally hard to get in to such a position and follow successful career. Why? I don't know and cannot give you the exact figures because its impossible but trust me, you'd be surprised how many people discriminate us for all these reasons mentioned here which are by the way mostly just mere stereotypes and fiction (like taking away british jobs, living on benefits etc). sure that like in every nation there are lazy people but come on, jobs were already there, Poles just came and filled them in.

  • Nicholas Lee

    10/25/2008 04:10 AM

    I am very sorry that they are going. We have a blood connection that goes back to WW2, the Battle of Britain, and the War in Italy. They were our brothers in arms, and the current generation are still very nice people to know. Do widzenia, my friends. God be with you.

  • A. Headhunter: Every country has got strengths and weaknesses. Some get more involved then others. The fact that Poles and Brits fought together to reach freedom is important. I do agree with you on all points. PS: I like the way you write.



    I think we should not judge the whole country by looking at few Poles who had to much to drink. Brits get drunk in Poland as well. Sleep in Parks and end up at Police Stations.



    Note to Mark: I agree!



    I am not a confident person and sometimes I do not want to admit that I am Polish as I am afraid that people will treat me different. This is what mikes it difficult. I am not greedy for money and still I do like to live in UK.



    Law Student - London

  • A. Headhunter: Every country has got strengths and weaknesses. Some get more involved then others. The fact that Poles and Brits fought together to reach freedom is important. I do agree with you on all points. PS: I like the way you write.



    I think we should not judge the whole country by looking at few Poles who had to much to drink. Brits get drunk in Poland as well. Sleep in Parks and end up at Police Stations.



    Note to Mark: I agree!



    I am not a confident person and sometimes I do not want to admit that I am Polish as I am afraid that people will treat me different. This is what mikes it difficult. I am not greedy for money and still I do like to live in UK.



    Law Student - London

  • A. Headhunter: Every country has got strengths and weaknesses. Some get more involved then others. The fact that Poles and Brits fought together to reach freedom is important. I do agree with you on all points. PS: I like the way you write.



    I think we should not judge the whole country by looking at few Poles who had to much to drink. Brits get drunk in Poland as well. Sleep in Parks and end up at Police Stations.



    Note to Mark: I agree!



    I am not a confident person and sometimes I do not want to admit that I am Polish as I am afraid that people will treat me different. This is what mikes it difficult. I am not greedy for money and still I do like to live in UK.



    Law Student - London

  • The establishment here as usual is absolutely trashing the reputation of those they have let down and betrayed,generation after generation. Why do our rulers HATE US so much?

    The English are reviled and insulted on a daily basis and all other nationalities virtues extolled.

    The middle and upper classes- and this is especially the case with our so called intellectual elite-all join as one to pour scorn and contempt on 'chavs'and other working class people.This goes right back to the Normans and the Norman yoke.Those who by birth have looked down in contempt on the indigenous English.

    It is really a miracle that St Paul's Cathedral was built,or Kings College Cambridge or any of our many other architectural wonders using such 'scum' isn't it?

    And we did it all without importing millions of immigrants.

    Harry,please stop peddling establishment lies because we don't believe them any more.

    And to those rubbishing the BNP-At least they support their own people which is certainly not the case with the other three traitorous, degenerate parties.

  • I'm sorry they are going. They work hard and blend in, and they do not take part in terrorist plots. It's a pity this lunatic government cannot persuade many of the other type of migrants to leave.

  • verbena 2.40pm

    "The Polish pilots were more of a liability than anything else in Word War II."



    So we would've been better off without them then? What utter tripe.



    They made up around a quarter of the pilots in the Battle of Britain. (Please argue with that figure if you know better). Most pilots were asleep on their feet because they had so little rest. It was a close run thing. No matter how undisciplined they were, take the Poles out of the equation and you'd be speaking German now. Perhaps their disregard for British reserve (or discipline if you would have it) was the very thing that swung it for us. I'd rather have a mad dog on my side than a lap dog if my life depended on it.



    Mark 10.08am

    "...Poles did not invent coffee shops..."



    You're probably right. But what about the legend that a Turkish-speaking Polish spy obtained a supply of coffee from the retreating Turks after the siege of Vienna in 1583? The story goes on to tell how he opened the first coffee shop in Vienna.



    Incidentally, verbena, had the Poles not shooed away the Turks on that occasion you'd now be talking Turkish and praying to Mecca.



    Oh, and in 1920 there was the defeat of the Bolsheviks who were on their way to invade the rest of Europe. You'd be talking Russian now.



    If I think of anything else I'll let you know.



    The only thing I can knock them for is their joining the EU. But then I wonder if they had the same choice we did. That is: none.

  • David Albion

    10/24/2008 06:38 PM

    I am still amazed that people believe that the Polish pilots saved the day in the Battle of Britain.



    After being shot up on the ground these pilots went to France and flew for France.After they got shot up they came to England and there they received training.

    Had this country stayed out of this wasteful war we would be in a far better situation than these years since 1946.



    People have descriminated against British workers for decades,always the same excuses especially the one about refusing work.Perhaps I've got it wrong it wasn't the British Empire it was The Polish Empire.



    Immigrants of all shades come here because their country is crap.Ours will be better if they all get back,.

  • Giles Fielding

    10/24/2008 06:37 PM

    The real root of the "Polish work ethic" that we've benefitted from is implicit in the article, but never really gets focussed on. Poles came here, and worked damned hard, because the rewards were excellent. They were fitting bathrooms & kitchens on what amounted to several times times the average wage back home.



    I'm sure if you offer one of our 'lazy, unreliable' UK plumbers treble rates you could be sure of the job being done well and on time too.



    The problem is that people don't want to accept that they need to pay for work to be done.



    Have a top quality kitchen fitted, pay a quality workman to install it at good rates. It will cost you a lot of money, but will last for many years.



    Many of the Polish workers do shoddy work too, by the way. Best of luck to 'em back in Poland too.

  • They came, they saw, they displaced British workers particularily in the building boom and service industry and now they leave when the economy is sour - who can blame them; But what about the indigenous Britons who have been treated with utter contempt by this government? Britons should not have to compete with economic migrants at half their previous wage who often share many to a rented house with no mortgage to pay. Good riddance.

  • I agree with Mark. Having been with my Polish wife for over 15 years now and hence having been mixing with the Poles for that length of time, I think it's fair to say that the author is living in the world of la la stereotypes. My humble opinions are: Grafters -yes; quality tradesmen - early years, yes, now - choose carefully, lots of cowboys also; Integration - early years good, now with so many numbers average; Manners - My wife's family like coming to work in England because they think we're so polite compared to back home; Attitude - No one's mentioned the `r' word, my experience backs up what Trevor Phillips stated. Poles do import some very backward attitudes with respect to race. Basically they're just like the english and every other nation, good bad and indifferent in equal measure.

  • I agree with Mark. Having been with my Polish wife for over 15 years now and hence having been mixing with the Poles for that length of time, I think it's fair to say that the author is living in the world of la la stereotypes. My humble opinions are: Grafters -yes; quality tradesmen - early years, yes, now - choose carefully, lots of cowboys also; Integration - early years good, now with so many numbers average; Manners - My wife's family like coming to work in England because they think we're so polite compared to back home; Attitude - No one's mentioned the `r' word, my experience backs up what Trevor Phillips stated. Poles do import some very backward attitudes with respect to race. Basically they're just like the english and every other nation, good bad and indifferent in equal measure.

  • Transportman

    10/24/2008 02:45 PM

    Do immigrants boost the economy? If any group of immigrants does, the Poles - remarkably well educated and with an amazing work ethic - would certainly be among them.



    If however, we reflect on the post-war period, we might see a different story. Britain' economy lost about 450000 from war dead, war wounded who would never work again and civilian casualties. W. Germany started reconstruction with about 3 million short. We were able to make good much of the shortfall by bringing in people from the Caribbean, Greece and Italy. For obvious reasons, few were keen to migrate to Germany. German industry had to manage the situation by making individuals more productive and german products of higher quality to pay for high labour costs. Britain had the high labour costs but nowhere near the productivity or quality. The result was that we had economic chaos and decline of the sixties and seventies but Germany had the german economic miracle.

    Immigrants may give our economy a short-term fillip but, in the medium to long term, and because industry can take the soft option of employing rather than modernising, the economy loses competitiveness.

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